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After a long pause in which nobody seemed to have very many questions, we've got a very intriguing one which came up during the People & Portraits projecteducate week and it's something that has always played on my mind, and no doubt on yours too. Once again sine-out has provided a fantastic answer, so hopefully that will help somewhat in clearing this issue up. Have a question? Drop it on this article and we'll work on an answer!



"It seems like colorful pictures made in adobe look good, then after
they have been uploaded on deviantART... the color is more dead.. not so
alive..is this an issue?" ~ kayjensen



"Hi kayjensen, the issue your describing is most likely a colour profile issue. Colour profiles essentially describe how each colour is represented and there are different profiles for different purpose but mostly for getting accurate colour out of a printer or a screen.

By default the internet works with and assumes that every image uses the sRGB colour profile, this is a very narrow colour profile, but it's nearly ubiquitous (hence the reason why it's a defacto standard), so nearly all web based images are saved using that profile.

Photoshop, however, is colour space/profile aware, and can save images to virtually any colour profile imaginable, most of which are much larger than the sRGB colour profile. One of the most popular of these is the AdobeRGB colour profile.

If you save an image using the AdobeRGB profile and then display it in a web browser, the images can appear duller (it should be noted that most modern browsers support colour profiles these days, but a lot of websites strip the colour profile information from any images uploaded, which forces those web browsers to assume the image is using sRGB).

To correct this issue, when you're saving off your image for uploading, Click on Edit > Convert to Profile, then select the destination space to sRGB. If the colours shift dramatically when you do that, then click on the 'Intent' drop down box and choose from the list until the image looks as close to the original as possible.

Because sRGB is such a small colour profile, make sure you save this image as a copy and don't overwrite your source file, as this is a lossy conversion. Hope that helps!"
~ sine-out

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:iconchiarascuro:
ChiaraScuro Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I saved my photo as sRGB and it still turns all dull and muddy when I try to upload it. Any ideas as to why this might be?
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Kaz-D Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
Yeah I had the same problem lately. I was advised to upload a lower size and that worked :)
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:iconmeganakamomo:
meganakamomo Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2013  Hobbyist
Thanks for sharing this great information! However, I am having problems with dA dulling my pictures even when I haven't touched them up at all. I checked the info on my image and it says that the color profile is sRGB IEC61966-2.1, but the colors still don't come out right when uploaded. Is there a way to fix this? Any help would be much appreciated :)
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Kaz-D Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Hmm that's weird, how's your screen? Have you tried it between programs like facebook or flickr to see if it's your monitor?
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:iconmeganakamomo:
meganakamomo Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2013  Hobbyist
The colors are fine on Facebook, Flickr, and Blogger, but it appears dull on Photobucket.
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:iconkaz-d:
Kaz-D Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
That's very strange. I suggest perhaps contacting the help desk, i don't know if they'd be able to answer the query, but it's worth a try :)
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meganakamomo Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2013  Hobbyist
Alright, thank you very much for your help! :hug:
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:iconitti:
Itti Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
After reading this the other day, I had it in mind when finishing an image in Photoshop just now. Anyway I couldn't find the colour profiles bit but there was an sRGB checkbox (ticked by default) when I saved so it looks like my images use sRGB already so I think I'm safe! :)
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:iconkaz-d:
Kaz-D Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Awesome! :heart:
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:iconitti:
Itti Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh wow. RGB for screens/CYMK for printing was the extent of my colour profile knowledge. Great to learn more!
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:iconkaz-d:
Kaz-D Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
:D
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:iconl0ne-w0lf:
L0NE-W0lf Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2012
I like the irony of ^sine-out's username, it makes the perfect signature. :lol:

And thanks for sharing!
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:iconkaz-d:
Kaz-D Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
yes indeed, it works well :D
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Penguinclaw Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2012
Never realised this; but explains why my images always look wrong on DA. In fact I was beginning to think it was my technical ability being not up to scratch.. and was feeling that I shouldn't bother uploading my photos as they weren't upto scratch!. It does make sense though when put into context (I'm more of a technical person) and I will try to remember this before uploading. I use a combination of open source software and proprietry, though not adobe as I think it is totally over priced........ I use corel painter, paintshop pro, GIMP, inkscape, Darktable and Sony Image Data Converter on the most part.
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Kaz-D Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Indeed it might well provide the explanation! I use a combination too, so it's difficult to remember which bit does what :D
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deshrubber Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Good stuff! :clap:
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:iconkaz-d:
Kaz-D Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
:D
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:iconcr2o3:
Cr2O3 Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2012
very nice article :)
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:iconkaz-d:
Kaz-D Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Thank you :)
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:icondeaconstrucktor:
DeaconStrucktor Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Painter 12 provides a check-box to "embed a profile" when saving a picture to a file format (jpg, rif, psd, etc). I would think Photoshop should have a similar option.
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Kaz-D Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Excellent advice!
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:icondeaconstrucktor:
DeaconStrucktor Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
sort of... see the other reply to my post. :)
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:iconkaz-d:
Kaz-D Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
:O
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:iconcyril-helnwein:
Cyril-Helnwein Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2012  Professional Photographer
Embedding an sRGB profile makes no difference, most browsers can't read embedded profiles. The only solution is to convert the image to sRGB
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DeaconStrucktor Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks, for clarifying that for me. :) So that option would mainly be for transferring files between photo-editors, then?
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Cyril-Helnwein Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2012  Professional Photographer
Not exactly... profiles are just different color spaces or "languages" for different systems (over the years apple would have developed theirs, adobe their own, etc.) Most image programs understand these foreign "languages" but internet browsers generally only understand the "sRGB" language, unless you are using a special browser that can read different profiles/understand the foreign languages.

If you have photoshop, play around with the different profiles in the "save for web & devices" under the "file" menu. You will see how the colors shift on an image for the different profiles.
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Talty Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2012   Artisan Crafter
This is so helpful! :la: It hasn't happened to me, but I've read a lot of people complaining about it. I'm going to link them to this next time it happens :) thank you so much for sharing!
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Kaz-D Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Yes awesome! I see a lot of people mentioning this too!
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:iconilantiis:
iLantiis Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I did not know this. This is fantastic information to know! Thanks Kaz and Sine! Now I wonder what profile I am saving my mages in?

Also, something I just learned by accident is that not all picture formats (like png) allow you to show exif details. Why do only some allow that, and what types besides jpeg allow you to show your exif data? (and does dA support those formats for upload?)
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sine-out Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
PNG supports metadata, through both the iTXt, tEXt, and zTXt chunks of the standard, however, most software does not support writing those chunks, and even if they did, most software doesn't read those chunks either.

The basic reason why is simply due to different standards, JPEG is the most popular format for uploading photographic images on the internet, and JPEG uses EXIF metadata, so the internet has standardised around that. To get PNG metadata to work would essentially require website developers to write their own PNG processors, which is likely not worth the time given that there's little guarantee that those images will have metadata anyway.

As far as I'm aware, JPEG is the only image format that dA allows that supports EXIF data.
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iLantiis Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh, that explains it then. When I aske for critiques, everyone points out that they can't see my exif data. I upload PNG files, so that is why then. Thanks for clearing that up! :love:
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Kaz-D Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
:heart:
Hmm. I think that png does show exif :nod: it does for me anyway. If you do lots to an image and effectively strip it down, then it loses those qualities and information. This isn't my area of knowledge though :no: I'll ask ^sine-out if he can answer :D
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iLantiis Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks!
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ChasingShadowsPhoto Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2012
Wow, I didn't know this!!! I knew my photos looked duller once on dA but didn't know why. Thanks so much for the help!!! :D PS Does Adobe Lightroom have that option? (I'm new to all these programs... :confused: )
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sine-out Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Adobe Lightroom is basically Adobe Camera Raw merged with Adobe Bridge, with a sprinkling of extras on top, at least from what I've seen.

Either way, because it's based on ACR, it supports outputting to different colour profiles. Fortunately, if you're editing the RAW files using ACR, you don't have to worry about saving extra copies of the RAW image when saving as sRGB, as the colour profile is only applied to the output images.
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ChasingShadowsPhoto Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2012
Great, thanks! :D I got to look into a bit more and I saw the option but it was already doing it the way I wanted. :) Now if I could JUST understand all the features! haha I'll find a tutorial, I guess.
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:iconkaz-d:
Kaz-D Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Hmm, I'm not sure! Have a root around and see what you find there :nod:
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:iconchasingshadowsphoto:
ChasingShadowsPhoto Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2012
Thanks, I will! Another deviant answered me and said it definitely does, though. :)
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:iconilantiis:
iLantiis Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes! I use Lightroom, and you can change your color profile. I believe it is adobeRGB by default but you can choose sRGB.
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ChasingShadowsPhoto Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2012
Thank you!!! :hug:
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:iconurceola:
Urceola Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'll copy and save this one into my Helpful Memos file. I had no idea. Thanks for informing us! :sherlock:
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:iconkaz-d:
Kaz-D Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Excellent!
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:iconstamatisgr:
StamatisGR Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2012   Photographer
:thumbsup: good info!
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:iconkaz-d:
Kaz-D Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
:w00t:
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:iconkayjensen:
kayjensen Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2012  Professional Photographer
thank you so much.. i hope it helps.. had this problem for years.. :) :D
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:iconkaz-d:
Kaz-D Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
No problem!
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:iconjakezdaniel:
JakezDaniel Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2012   Photographer
The basics :D
I've wondered the same years before I came to dA.
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Kaz-D Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
:D
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